questions about grafting to pereskiopsis.

Joined : 06 May 2008 Posts : 30 Location : Melbourne

grrrr i just wrote out a long post, posted it and then my connection cut out and i lost it.

anyway... i tried to do a graft the other night, not really caring too much if it worked or not. sorta just more for fun.

so when i do the graft, it seems like it is sitting on nicely, and it will work. however, after having a look in the morning, it seems there is a gap between the peres and the seedling. it's actually really starting to annoy me, as i re-tried it again last night, and still the same thing. i just don't know what i'm doing wrong, i followed the thread that is stickied, there seemed to be no air bubbles, and i pushed it down quite firmly.

Mad

i hope someone can help me.

Joined : 06 May 2008 Posts : 30 Location : Melbourne

oh and another question, why is it that you have to offset the vascular rings rather than line them up perfectly?

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:30 pm

Hey Intense_cutn,

How old are those seedlings ? I think seedlings les than 30days are easier to graft to pere due to the skin being softer.

There are a few ways to help the scion stick:

Make sure the humudity is high enough so the stock does not shrink due to water loss.

Take a pereskiopsis leaf and cut it in half, now use the juice/sap from this and put a small drop on the top of the stock before attaching the scion. This acts like glue and will help it stick.

Water the stock a day or two before grafting. This inceases sap and helps the union.

If the seedlings are a bit older, then you may need to use a little pressue to help the union.

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:36 pm

Superglue?
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Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:20 pm

They graft adeniums with super glue. It is good when you have very small scions and small stock. You join the two together and run super glue around the outside of the join.
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Joined : 06 May 2008 Posts : 30 Location : Melbourne

yeah the grafts are about 4-5 months old.

the peres were very juicy when cut, so i don't think there were any problems there.

super glue? what just regular old super glue?

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:00 am

Yep regular ol' super glue

Here's how they do it with adeniums Grafting with Super Glue

Its in French but here's what was said about it "Never put any glue on the flat cuts,it's the wrong way;you have to cut the two parts,then you press firmly the scion on the rootstock and you put glue all around the jonction.to have a fast dry you may blow with your mouth.if you use a very fast cyanoacrylate glue,in 1 minute all is did.
the best way is when the two diameters are same scion and rootstock."
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Joined : 06 May 2008 Posts : 30 Location : Melbourne

and what about the vascular rings, why do they have to be offset?

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:23 am

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:40 am

Joined : 08 Jul 2008 Posts : 8 Location : Chile

this is the ring that you need to OVERLAP. the XILEMA

then clean the knife with alcohol. clean the excess of alcohol (I use a flame of a candle and it
help to evaporate the excess of alcohol)

make a clean cut to both plants and always clean the knife

JA50 Eriosyce napina ssp. tenebrica (Thelocephala)

place the plant NOT in the center of the perek. Put it towards a little to the an extreme.

very carefully I put this "alusa-plast" to help to join the grafting

and then DO NOT:
place them in direct sun light
move them or touch them

and then JUST WAIT!!

if you have lucky...

soon I will put more photos because this plant now is developing buds...

greetings from Chile

Juan Acosta
spiniflores

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:06 pm

Fantastic photos Juan and a great example.

I would also add that my experience is that if you WITHHOLD watering the peres for about 2 days before and don't water it immediately after grafting it gives more chance for the graft to stick and not get forced off the peres. Leave it overnight in diffused / filtered light and then water it. I've had more success this way and little from a well watered peres.

Subject: Re: questions about grafting to pereskiopsis. Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:18 pm

Hi Juan, great Peres graft pics. How old would you say that seedling that you have grafted to the Pereskiopsis would be? Alot of people in Australia suggest that grafting seedlings to Peres should be done very early on in the seedlings life.

I have always wondered if grafting older seedlings to Peres would work, I can see from your pics that apparently it does work.

I have had many failures with Peres gafting (no sucess @ all), I always put it down to using seedlings that were not very young, as I mentioned that very young seedlings are usually used here in Aus.

I guess my technique is all wrong?

Not sure what this "alusa-plast" is? Looks like what we call "cling wrap" and the Americans call "Sarin" wrap. Sounds like it might have Aluminium in it though?

Cheers.
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Joined : 06 May 2008 Posts : 30 Location : Melbourne

yeah that loooks like cling wrap to me, it's a good idea too, i might just have to try that with my next graft.

on another note, i grafted a week old loph seedling the other day, and it has seemed to take a lot better than the older seedling i did the other week. now it's just wait and see i guess.

how long does it normally take to notice accellerated growth?

Age : 29 Joined : 05 Sep 2008 Posts : 102 Location : Perth

grafting q - esp with ario seedlings...

Each and every graft attempted with these so far have ended with the scion wilted, even though it seems attached, and then it wries up and dies. The plants are kept in a humidity chanber, stocks not watered too much, and not in direct sunlight or high heat.

Lophs are fine in the same conditions...

I don't want to lose any more ario seedlings as yet, need to get this sorted first. or get more seeds! :S