A question for Kada, if I may...

Subject: A question for Kada, if I may... Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:14 pm

Was just wondering what are the preferred grafting stocks for the Mexican miniatures in Taiwan?

For example, what species of Hylocereus do you use?

Is Eriocereus jusbertii a commonly used stock? I think these are used in Germany a fair bit, not sure.

Are Trichocereus spp. used? How about Myrtillocactus geometrizans?

Looks like a Stenocereus sp. you are using in the tek you posted, am I right?
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Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 163 Location : International

Stocks mostly depend on climate. many euopean countries favour pachanoi cause it grows fast in cooler temps, while warmer cliamtes may favour myrtle cause it likes hotter temps.

here in taiwan it is hot and humid. japan is much cooler, but people invest large amounts into greenhouses. china has all kind of varying temps depending where and thailand is a little similar to here in taiwan.

one thing that seems to be used in most climates is Hylocereus.

people here use undatus and trigonus but i think there are also a few other hylo species being used.

Harrisia is used as well, but i am not so sure it is jusbertii. i have a few stocks that are phenomenal! i mean amazing! but i have no idea what the english names are Sad

working on it though, not everything translates well

Here Trich pachanoi is not seen very much, at least as a stock. T. spachianus is sometimes used as well, but not as commonly as others.

my favourite stock is M. geometrizans. it accepts almost any cacti and is very hardy. i like Hylocereus as well, but certain types dont graft well to it (like Lophophora).

it also depends on size. if we stop thinking about astrophytum cv's and the value of the shape of the join then it easier. bigger stock=bigger scion....to a point. In the grafting write i did use Stenocereus (pruinosus). i used this as an experiment after seen a very large Echinocactus crest grafted to one. so i grafted some larger Lophophora crests, some turbinicarpus crests and soem Mytillocactus crests to this stock to see how it preformed. i would say it is excellent as a choice for larger specimens (keeping in mind these crests will grow 30+ cm if allowed to). that is one problem with Hylocereus, they bend under the weight of larger scions (which means degrafting those big astros).

not just specie though, just a fatter myrtle will be better than a skinny one. most crests are grafted to fat columnar stocks, because when tehy are degrafted no one cares about hwo the join looks, they care about the shape of the crest....which is all about the grafting technique, not so much the stock type.

there are a dozen or so stocks i favour for various reasons, but i know the chinese name and not the english of most of them (cause everyone here uses chinese, so english names are only useful to me on these forums). my chinese is poor, and my translating skills are WAY worse! google has yeilded little so far. lol Sad

some examples of what people use here (myself included)

Hylocereus sp. Astrophytum, Ariocarpus, Copiapoa, Aztekium, Mammilaria, turbinicarpus, ortegocactus, strombocactus, obregonia etc.

Myrtle: i use this for almost anything. fat ones for expensive/large/crested plants, and the smaller ones when i run out of fat ones. Every genus i own i have grafted at least a couple to myrtle without problems. one thing i do find though is variegated plants tend to be much more sensitive to tape pressure and lighting, so somethings they get damaged and start to rot.

here are a couple photos of a friends farm and some of his. notice the asterias are grafted to hylo and the crests (those are hanazono crests!) are grafted to myrtle.

this is where i get my stocks from when i run out of my own cuttings (the short ones) look past that white thing! Smile

i cant find the english name but another great one is 朝物閣.

i can only find this site.
http://www.hua-ba.cn/?action-viewnews-itemid-149739

Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 163 Location : International

i just uploaded this cause its sort of together. still lots to add, just not enough time to do it.

it gives a good idea what works here.
http://kadasgarden.com/Cgraftingstocks.html

a note about jusbertii. some people her euse it to graft Ariocarpus to because it is so hot here and so wet they need to keep it in a shaded area that is well protected. jusbertii do well in lower light and lower temps and they handle water well. i assume this is why european growers use it, cause itis much colder cliamte there.