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trigonus
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|  Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks  Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:06 pm | |
| Another thought. Anyone tried other Trichos at all? I have read that in Europe T. pasacana is a useful stock as is T. poco (is a ssp. of another Trich I believe, the name escapes me for now), was just thinking that T. tersheckii (a real beast)could make a decent stock as would other large growing Trichs.
Also has anyone ever tried Pachycereus sp. I was thinking along the lines of Pachycereus pringlei another beast, also Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum might be worth a try?
Would love to hear back about experiences with any of these as I will consider getting some and trying them but if they are destined to fail I might not bother.
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Hellonasty
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:58 pm | |
| Trig,
The kk242/t.cuzcoensis is a large Tricho "Beast" as you put it, I wonder how it would perform. I also have a gigantic T.Scop "Hulk" I got from a member at SAB, I will try grafting onto this thing soon. It is seriously massive and I have a few cuts growing. Do you
know this one ?
Not sure re Pachycereus, sure is a big plant. Due to the very woody core and thick skin I think it would reject many scions but you just never know. Pachy does not grow all that fast either. Hmm I food for thought. |
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Hellonasty
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:01 pm | |
| | What about Harrisia jusbertii. I just got my hands on one of these and on all accounts are very reliable fast growing stocks. Does anyone have exprience ? |
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lewis
Joined : 07 May 2008
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Location : Melbourne
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:25 pm | |
| If a graft on just about anything hasn't grown at all in 6 months then chances are the vascular rings are not aligned properly! It still could have a spurt next spring, so don't give up on it just yet.
I suppose in your climate hylocereus is probably a good grafting stock but here it is generally short-lived. (yes, i have seen exceptions of over 10 years but these are exceptions). it really dislikes the cold winters.
| trigonus wrote: | | I I noticed you mentioned T. spach as a grafting stock, have you had much experience with these as stocks? I have heard from many that they have a much shorter 'stock life' than say T. pach. Bit of a shame if it's true as the spach is a dime a dozen and is a very vigorous grower and a prolific pup producer, potentially a wonderful stock. Would like to hear a bit of fedback from several people actually, regarding the usefulness and longevity of T. spachianus as a grafting stock. |
It is widely used and recommended down here as a stock. i plan to use it next spring, being the only Tricho i have. it is generally considered to be preferable than hylocereus because of its cold tolerance. negatives would include abundant areoles capable of offset production, and the spines. otherwise excellent, extremely vigorous growth rate. Short lived? never heard that before and i have seen Uebie pects last over 25 years on it!!! |
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trigonus
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:18 pm | |
| HN, never heard of cusco being used but I reckon it could be a winner, hmm got some 'gnosis' here which is a KKoid, might try that too. Yeah I have heard of the 'hulk' clone. If you end up with any spares next season or the one after a trade might be in order?
Hmm Pachy sounds like a no go. Have always wanted to try H. jusbertii, never come across in Aus yet. Obviously you did though.
No the vascular rings are fine lewis, I have done enough grafting to know about all that. I suspect a bit more sun and a repot might see some growth, it has grown a little bit, just not enough to worth mentioning really.
Strange, as I said I have spoken to many people who don't like spach because of it's longevity as a stock, maybe it depends on the climate, growing conditions etc.?
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lewis
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:57 pm | |
| | possibly. i have never even heard of it being short lived at all, quite the opposite. for example, here (due to the climate) you are lucky to get 3 years out of a common red variegated Gymnocalycium mihanovichii grafted to hylocereus. but the same scion grafted on T.spachianus they can last over 15 years and still be going strong. i have also seen an Espostoa crest grafted on Tricho spachianus that was over 15 years old and still fine. Admittedly the 25 yr old Uebie pect grafts i mentioned above were very woody, but i suppose this can be expected with any stock of that age. |
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trigonus
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:23 pm | |
| Hmm might give the spach a go next season if I have enough scion material. Sounds better than I thought it was.
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lewis
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:33 pm | |
| | in fact here it is often used and recommended for use as a long term stock, for scions that were first grafted to pereskiopsis or hylocereus etc. |
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MichaelCactus
Joined : 24 Jun 2008
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Location : Bendigo
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:07 pm | |
| | Completely off topic, but, i really want someone to graft a Carnegia to another stock and see how it pumps up and takes off. |
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lewis
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Location : Melbourne
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:08 pm | |
| i want to see that too. one problem i can see is finding a stock that lasts long enough to endure a Carnegiea's lifespan!  hmm how easy is it to root carnegia cuttings? |
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MichaelCactus
Joined : 24 Jun 2008
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Location : Bendigo
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:02 pm | |
| | Only one way to find out Lewis, i think start it off on say Pereskiopsis, transfer to Hylo then onto say C.Peruvianus, then eventually its own roots.... |
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Kada
Joined : 05 Apr 2008
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Location : International
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:21 am | |
| | Hellonasty wrote: | | What about Harrisia jusbertii. I just got my hands on one of these and on all accounts are very reliable fast growing stocks. Does anyone have exprience ? |
harrsia is a very good stock, but is not the best in hot climates....you see a lot of people in europe and NA using this specie for stocks cause its cooler there....here, for example, they are about 2/3 as fast as a myrtle...roughly...
if you are in a shaded or cooler climate, harrisia is a good choice! careful sometimes tehy get all rotty on ya if the humidity is consistantly high. hit and miss it seems. some grow outside year round (this means full blown torrential rain/floods in the typhoons), while others rot when its cloudy (little rain) for a month. weed out the weeklings i guess 
| Quote: | | Completely off topic, but, i really want someone to graft a Carnegia to another stock and see how it pumps up and takes off. |
i would use a fat stock personally, cause it is a damn huge cactus! if it were me i would use a nice fat Stenocereus. These stocks are SUPER fast growers and can be had very fat (4-5inches accross!). also easy to find but eventually, due to the size, think you will *have* to degraft...or perhaps make the stock short and bury it. Carnegia are just huge.....no two ways about it lol. |
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lewis
Joined : 07 May 2008
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Location : Melbourne
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:36 am | |
| | harrisia sounds like a good stock for my climate. i'll have to try get some |
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Kada
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| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:47 pm | |
| | i would think it would be great in Melbourne and Sydney areas |
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lewis
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Location : Melbourne
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:41 pm | |
| | Yeah, it sounds well suited to this climate. I haven't seen it around though. everything here is grafted to hylocereus or Trichocereus spachianus. |
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