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drgonzo26
Number of posts: 8 Location: sydney Registration date: 2009-12-16
 | Subject: GLue method for small seedlings Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:18 pm | |
| Hey all,
I recently attempted to glue some 2 month old ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus to Pereskiopsis.
I found it extremely difficult to glue down without getting glue under the scion. All my attempts failed to take.
Thought i would mention it to others thinking of using it. Probably best for bigger, more mature grafts.
any thoughts?
Dylan |
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:47 pm | |
| I've only ever seen it used for larger scions like in this example:
http://www.cactiguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17341 |
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Hellonasty Admin

Number of posts: 1250 Location: NSW Registration date: 2008-04-04
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:16 pm | |
| No need for glue or any method of attachment for young seedlings. The sap from both plants will be enough grip to stick them together, just be sure to give the scion a little push to help the air escape and this will create a nice tight seal.
I use this method for plants up to about 1.5-2cm (depending on species... soft skin species you can go bigger), any larger and I attach them with varying methods but never glue.
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:22 pm | |
| Well, I know it's technically the wrong time of year to do much in the world of cacti, but I'm going to give this method a go. Pics to come shortly... |
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:08 pm | |
| Okay, I've now tried three grafts. All are lophs onto trich stocks (probably scop x pach). The smaller scion is about 1.5 cm across, the second is maybe 2.5 cm in width. The stocks are both roughly 10 cm in height.  This one is considerably larger - a 5 cm scion onto 30 cm of trich. The scion had previously been grafted to peres but had suffered some insect attack, hence the scarring. Once the graft has taken, I will hit the plant with a decent systemic and a dose of seasol to try and give the plant a bit of a boost.  Overall, I think that if these grafts are successful that I will continue using this method. I do like how well the cyanoacyrlate glue seals the stock to the scion, and assists in making an "airtight" bond that I have always struggled to achieve with my prior efforts. I also like how strong the bond is even before the vascular bundles have connected. It all seems a lot simpler than arrangements of tape, weights, etc, etc... |
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Hellonasty Admin

Number of posts: 1250 Location: NSW Registration date: 2008-04-04
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:01 pm | |
| That last one is a beauty  _________________ My Cacti Blog, please come visit me.

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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:41 pm | |
| I can't wait to see it take off. It was once suggested to me that a metre-long section of pach would be the idea stock for a humungous loph. I haven't quite got that, but I am curious to observe the growth on this specimen. |
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:36 pm | |
| I've since noticed some fairly nasty root mealie activity on a few other mexicans that I have in my indoor collection. I've given them all a good drowning in confidor, and I am at this stage seriously considering grafting many of these plants once they recover. I'm yet to encounter a trich with the dreaded root mealies, however mexicans seem to be a popular target for the little bastards. This might be a way of saving my collection. More to come... |
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:21 am | |
| Well, I'm definitely impressed by this method. Despite the cool weather, I can state with confidence that all three loph grafts have taken and there is evidence of growth on all. The smallest one has markedly grown, with lovely fresh new growth readily apparent at the crown of the plant. Given that this technique works on lophs, I'm tempted to try it on a pup or two of a grafted Aztekium that I have... |
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Hellonasty Admin

Number of posts: 1250 Location: NSW Registration date: 2008-04-04
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:50 pm | |
| Congrats on your sucess, I find once you have a solid grafting method that works for you and your environment stick with it !!
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:34 am | |
| I think in this case this method definitely merits further experimentation. I'm liking the fact that the glue both secures the scion to the stock and forms a barrier agains infection by bacteria or fungi at the join. |
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:03 pm | |
| Not only do we have growth, but now we also have a bud forming... |
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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:45 pm | |
| As an update, I have seen good growth on all plants, however as predicted the graft onto the large stock has shown by far the most growth of all specimens. It has also bloomed five times.
A real benefit of this technique is the extreme hardiness the grafts have shown - previously, I grew my lophs indoors on a sunny windowsill, and even then I had to contend with mealies and the odd fatality to orange rot. I have had these grafted plants growing outside, fully exposed to the elements and they seem to be loving it, no deaths and even the snails have stayed away.
Now that the warmer months are here, I'm eyeing off four 40cm pach x scop plants that I have - and I must confess I am curious as to whether the glue technique would work on my Aztekium that currently lives on Pereskiopsis (courtesy of Cryptocarpa on this forum), however now looks to be in need of a little boost... I'm off to do some research. |
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Hellonasty Admin

Number of posts: 1250 Location: NSW Registration date: 2008-04-04
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:45 pm | |
| Great work mate and I can answer your question YES graft those little buggers  P.S you are very luck to obtain an Aztekium, I had to grow/graft mine from seed, which was quite a challenge... but as you would know all worth it  _________________ My Cacti Blog, please come visit me.

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Lachy Moderator

Number of posts: 715 Location: Langwarrin Registration date: 2008-04-05
 | Subject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:34 pm | |
| Photo of the big loph in bloom...  You can't really see it in this pic, but there's also a number of pups forming... |
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