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Trichocereus or Echinopsis?
Trichocereus
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Echinopsis
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PostSubject: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:27 pm

Thought it might be good to make a poll about this to decide which nomenclature people prefer. I like Trichocereus and will continue calling them by this name. Others may feel differently about this?

Please vote.

If the votes favour Trichocereus, then I propose we all try and use that name to avoid confusion.

That's my opinion anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:30 pm

I like trichocereus.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:57 pm

Trichocereus
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:59 pm

Trichocereus of course
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:16 am

Trichocereus is a useful split - and from an entheogen perspective makes sense. Wink

Echinopsis just seems to be way too generic and too broad a category to be usefully descriptive to me. However, I must confess that I've labelled all my trichs as Echinopsis to comply with the current naming regime. So I'm kind of split between the two...
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:38 am

Tricho is useful as a slang term at least, for better communication. It could be a long time before people stop using it.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:10 pm

I like Trich & wo'nt stop using it. Looking at my own collection its obvios the taxonomists have got it wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:55 am

i use Trichocereus. The only reason is, i have always called them so and i am not smart enough to switch the way I think....maybe in 30 years if it's still Echinosomething, i will remember.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:59 am

Trichos...

To me the echinopsis are the fat little clumpers that throw out nice flowers... Trichos are completely different - columnars!
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:06 pm

I reckon that there'll be a taxonomic split again in the future, and Trichocereus will regain its rightful status as a valid genus.

Viva la secession!
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:37 pm

Hello All,
I am a new grower and also new to this list. I have an Echinopsis/Trichocereus and I am looking for advice on it`s cultivation. I live in Sth/East Queensland.
My plant has just flowered and I got 5 flowers sequentially and each lasted only 24 hours, is that normal or have I done something I shouldn`t have,

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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:13 pm

That's pretty normal behaviour for them. It's a shame that they don't last longer... but it does make their blooming all the more special I reckon.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:37 pm

Lachy, Thanks again,
John
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:42 pm

Tricho.... Tricho...... and once again Tricho! Agree with Gilligan, Echinopsis should remain small round clumping cacti.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:07 pm

I'm with gilligan too, Tricho's for the wonderfull big buggers.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:33 pm

TRICHOCEREUS.

Whenever I think 'Echinopsis' I think of common globular clumping cactus..
How is a T.bridgesii, peruvianus or pasacana like that?
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:59 pm

On thinking about it, I'd even go one step further and bring back Lobivia in addition to Trichocereus and Echinopsis. I think that there are enough differences between these three to justify it.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:07 pm

Don't Lobivia spp. flower during the day time?
and accordingly have bright-coloured flowers in order to attract their diurnal pollinators like bees?

In contrast to the true Echinopsis spp. (at least the wild type original species) which have white or pale nocturnal flowers in complementary order to attract their pollinators (moths?)

That's a small distinction right off even if it's not much buts its all I got.
I agree, I think that there are differences, but not being an expert in these or any cacti in general I cannot really speculate further. definitely a physical difference also.

I believe the two can cross fairly easily?
how about Lobivia x Trichocereus?

FWIW
When it all comes down to it,
you can call a plant whatever you wish.
bestowing plants which have existed
for however many thousands of years
before their discovery
with scientific names
in accordance with the artificial system of
Linnaean taxonomy
with binary nomenclature
is never going to be 100% effective.
Enthusiasts indulge in detailed debates,
often with a near religious fervour,
about the technicalities of where a said plant ought to be classified,
perhaps they should just worry about growing them.
just my 2c.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:18 pm

Someone once told me, collectors like to separate the groups and see what makes their plants different for each other. Biologists like to to group them and see what they have in common.

Naturally, I like using Trichocereus.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:22 pm


FWIW
When it all comes down to it,
you can call a plant whatever you wish.
bestowing plants which have existed
for however many thousands of years
before their discovery
with scientific names
in accordance with the artificial system of
Linnaean taxonomy
with binary nomenclature
is never going to be 100% effective.
Enthusiasts indulge in detailed debates,
often with a near religious fervour,
about the technicalities of where a said plant ought to be classified,
perhaps they should just worry about growing them.
just my 2c.

I like this. Personally I think taxonomy is an acknowledgement of the level of difference plants have from each other. To me I think it's important.
Then again maybe I'm one of those religious enthusiasts...
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:25 pm

Can I use the name soehrensia? I like that name.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus or Echinopsis?   Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:09 pm

I use Trichocereus for my columnar plants, where as i use Echinopsis for my globular clumping plants.
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