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Darren
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 323
Location: adelaide but moving to monbulk
Registration date: 2009-09-07
 | | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Fri May 21, 2010 11:28 pm | |
| say hello to Jabbavoides cousin Jabbatusus, Jr. he has a long way to come 
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Darren
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 323
Location: adelaide but moving to monbulk
Registration date: 2009-09-07
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Fri May 21, 2010 11:31 pm | |
| oh and his twin sisters Jabbatwo-sis  |
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cryptocarpa
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 151
Location: Melbourne
Registration date: 2009-03-14
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sat May 22, 2010 10:25 am | |
| I did a post a while back that tried to explain what I think is going on here. Having done a bit of plant biology for Uni this year I now have a new theory. I am writing a blog post about it as part of my assessment. I will cut and paste it to here when I am done if that's o.k. In the meantime, it doesn't sound great but here's my Jabba-anus  And these two pics show the shoot proliferation areas beginning to occur around the base of the first tubercles and on the callus surface that was where the seedling was cut for grafting.   |
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blowng
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 255
Location: Mellville
Registration date: 2008-10-28
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sat May 22, 2010 2:23 pm | |
| jabba-anus lol...what sort of camera do you have? the pics are so close they look giant! |
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cryptocarpa
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 151
Location: Melbourne
Registration date: 2009-03-14
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sat May 22, 2010 6:23 pm | |
| I just use a Nikon coolpix on macro. It is point and click. It does distort pics a bit but it is fairly sharp. To give an idea the plant in top pic is about 13cm and the smaller ones 3-4cm. |
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Lachy
Moderator
Number of posts: 682
Location: Langwarrin
Registration date: 2008-04-05
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sat May 29, 2010 10:56 am | |
| | gnostic wrote: | hello I am new here. I was just wondering what size does a selinicereus
or opuntia cutting have to be to use as grafting stock? |
I don't know if there's a particular size "limit", so to speak. I've seen scions grafted onto stocks that barely peeped above soil level, and I've seen grafts performed on three-foot tall trichs. That said, most grafts of small plants seem to be done onto stocks around 4-8 inches tall. |
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mutant
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 278
Location: Greece
Registration date: 2010-01-10
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon May 31, 2010 6:15 pm | |
| | Quote: | hello I am new here. I was just wondering what size does a selinicereus
or opuntia cutting have to be to use as grafting stock? |
haven't had much success with some opuntia I experiemented, but selinicereus seems to be ok even when very short like 3-4 cm above ground |
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Hanazono
Astromaniac
Number of posts: 352
Location: SA
Registration date: 2008-09-14
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:12 am | |
| I think a grafted scion grows faster generally when it was grafted on a large (tall) stock.
I use 20~30 cm tall stock normally but taller stocks are used for special scions.
Taller ones are 7~8 cm diameter and around 60 cm tall.
Hanazono |
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mutant
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Number of posts: 278
Location: Greece
Registration date: 2010-01-10
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:14 am | |
| | Quote: | I think a grafted scion grows faster generally when it was grafted on a
large (tall) stock.
I use 20~30 cm tall stock normally but taller
stocks are used for special scions.
Taller ones are 7~8 cm diameter
and around 60 cm tall.
Hanazono |
Interesting... do you see lots of difference?
Wouldn't the pupping be more intense like that thus interrupting growth more times [longer stock = more pupping ??? perhaps]? Of course this might be the best way to make a cactus graft- tree
[for pereskiopsis pupping doesn't seem to be a big problem as it pups in waves and after a while it doesn't pup at all]
I suppose I got a whole life of experimentation to find out doing longer stocks myself too...
7~8 cm diameter
and around 60 cm tall.>>>> this is about some trichocereus, myrtillocactus etc as stock or what?
Got any pictures to share of older such tall grafts?
I guess my only minus for such grafts are looks - but I suppose it would make the best mother-plant.
I am not a purist, but I think slow growers and sphericals look best on short stock
Always good to listen to various opinions and thought about stocks.
I am beginer my self but I took graftin passionately from early on. I have grafted on pereskiopsis, trichocereus, cereus, opuntia, myrtillocactus, selicereus [two species], some little spherical echinopsis. Done seedlings on both pere and selinicereus.
for not-so-permanent-graft I am begining to lean on selinicereus, the one type.
reasons?
*It roots quickly
*it has virtually no spines as opposed f.e. to pereskiopsis
*speed of growth is good
*you can propagate fast for stock
* it has more surface to graft on, unlike pereskiopsis, which allows bigger scion to be grafted too along with seedlings
*goes well with certain astrophytums
keep it coming  |
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Hanazono
Astromaniac
Number of posts: 352
Location: SA
Registration date: 2008-09-14
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:44 am | |
| mutant The attached photo is one of grafted asterias on a tall stock. The stock is a hybrid. A grafting stock becomes weak when it was older even if it was a parmanet stock, and the scion stops growing. When you use a large (tall) stock, the scion will grow continuously because the stock can maitain a good condition long time. You can see a large super kabuto in front. Super kabuto is a small type of asterias and grown by 10 cm diameter if it was own-root. The superkabuto in the photo is 18 cm diameter because grafted on a large stock. Hanazono  |
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mutant
Calm and Collected
Number of posts: 278
Location: Greece
Registration date: 2010-01-10
| | Subject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:03 pm | |
| thanks a lot, great grafts! |
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